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by **Fulvio** » Mon 17 Jan, 2005 1:39 am

Should anyone care, I found out that Firefox1.0 was asking for an undescribed plugin when I tried to play a music link from AOL.
Netscape7.2 and Mozilla1.7.5 were starting immediately, but FF1.0 kept requesting a plugin. Finally, after much head scratching, I recalled that AOL may use winamp plugins. Although I have Winamp default for some type of file, there are a lot which it is not default, or FF required the physical presence of the winamp.dll and winamp.xpt files. The link started to play as soon as I copied the two files.
Now, it is time go to bed, while I am ahead.

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by **Alice** » Mon 17 Jan, 2005 6:54 pm

I do remember allowing the AOL Media Playback (aka Nullsoft Media Playback) plugins, npwinamp.dll and npwinamp.xpt to install in Firefox, so I checked my notes and sure enough I had noted it back in Septermber (I keep notes on all my installs):
[tt]
09-10-04 If you go to the netscape.music site http://music.netscape.com/ns/music/songs/default.jsp in Firefox, and try a song link, it will ask to install the AOL Media Playback plugin. I did so, and it installed to Firefox plugins folder. [/tt]

I had installed those plugins earlier, in Netscape 7.2 and they were automatically added to my other installed netscape 7.0 and Mozilla 1.5 ... discussion in the old Wav and Midi thread, in my 20 Aug, 2004 9:02 pm post, here:
http://sillydog.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=42675#42675

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by **Fulvio** » Mon 17 Jan, 2005 7:29 pm

I don't recall your discussions, but I had the nullsoft plugins, and, I usually copy them to Mozilla. In firefox, however, all I was asked for to install a plugin, with no id. And, nothing happened when I clicked to do it. This is, at least the third case that Firefox fails to get the plugins files, and will be able to use the features only after I do it manually.
At the beginning, I thought I was dealing with Java, whose seven files had to be copied manually from the program into NS7.2 and Moz1.7.5.
So, I went on and copied them into the firefox plugins folder. And, winamp is one of the file type in the options. And, I had just installed the new Winamp5.08, but, once again Firefox was not noticed.
If I would have gotten a notice that I needed an AOL Media Playback plugin, I would have known what to do. The other notable plugins which ignore Firefox is Flash's

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by **Alice** » Mon 17 Jan, 2005 9:24 pm

At the time, I had Firefox 0.9.3 installed. I just remembered that Firefox 1.0 prevents software installation unless you add the site in Tools > Options > Web Features > Allow Websites to install software > Allowed Sites. It's a new security feature. See:
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/xpinstall.html

XPInstall Whitelist

Mozilla 1.7 RC3 has implemented an XPInstall whitelist, as part of Bug 240552. If enabled, this means that XPIs can not be installed, except if the installation is launched from a whitelisted site, or the XPI is saved to disk first.

Note: Mozilla 1.7.x ships with this disabled by default. Mozilla Firefox 1.0 ships with this enabled, and will prompt you when blocking an installation.

By default, only update.mozilla.org is whitelisted, and only in Firefox. Therefore only XPIs linked to from Mozilla Update will work out of the box.

To configure the list of sites that XPIs can be installed from in Mozilla Firefox, open the Firefox Options, select Web Features, and select "Allowed Sites" next to "Allow web sites to install software".

To test, I removed my plugins then tried one of the songs on the netscape music link I posted. I got the following:

(Original screenshot is resized by Admin, please ensure images are no wider than 550 pixel wide.)

Clicking the "Edit Options..." button, I got:

...which had nsvapp-prod-rr.stream.aol.com already entered, just waiting for me to click the Allow button.

Once added to the software installation allowed list, I tried again to install the software and this time I was able to get the prompt to install the plugin:

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by **Fulvio** » Mon 17 Jan, 2005 11:56 pm

I am not sure what you are implying, but, I am asked to download the plugin, which was not necessary, and it worked just the same by copying the required plugin files. Are you saying that because of the protective feature, Firefox will never get plugin file installations. I know what it is doing when it is open, but if Firefox will not accept the files when it is closed, and it does not tell me, how am I supposed to know what is going?
Your explanation is very reasonable, but it is a cumbersome feature, at best.
And, the .xpiinstall link does not apply in this case. But, I will be watching for the yellow toolbar.
I have to add something else. I checked the allowed sites, and the AOL video or audio site is not included. In fact, each clip I played is not considered a download, so the plugin .dll by-passses the controls, or I have no idea what is going on.

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by **Alice** » Tue 18 Jan, 2005 4:34 am

Fulvio wrote:I am not sure what you are implying, but, I am asked to download the plugin, which was not necessary, and it worked just the same by copying the required plugin files.

Yes, copying the npwinamp.dll and npwinamp.xpt files to the Firefox Plugins folder will also work; in fact, that's what I did after installing Firefox 1.0, since I removed all the old FF0.9.3 program files when I uninstalled it. That's why I removed my current FF plugins before testing.

Fulvio wrote:Are you saying that because of the protective feature, Firefox will never get plugin file installations.

Yes, if it involves an online XPI install from a site that isn't included in the software installation allowed sites list ("whitelist") .... you'll have to edit your options to add the site to the allowed list as I outlined above. I think this new feature will mainly affect extensions and themes, not plugins, since most standalone plugins don't come packaged as XPI files, but rather as .EXE files that you have to download first, before running... for example, the Crescendo plugin for midi and mp3 is installed from an .exe file. Other plugins, like Adobe Reader and Quicktime, are part of a larger program install and you enable the plugin through the program.

Fulvio wrote:But, I will be watching for the yellow toolbar.
I have to add something else. I checked the allowed sites, and the AOL video or audio site is not included. In fact, each clip I played is not considered a download, so the plugin .dll by-passses the controls, or I have no idea what is going on.

I think you're missing the point of the "Allowed Sites" list
(Tools > Options > Web Features > Allow Websites to install software > Allowed Sites)
That list shows which sites are allowed to install software using an online XPI installation, not which plugins will work.

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by **Fulvio** » Tue 18 Jan, 2005 12:23 pm

Alice, I don't want to give free rein to any particular site. That's why I am purposely "missing" the point. I want to be able to control what is done to the computer.
As an example, I do not allow my Auto-update to work, but I get twice daily notices, and I may or may not accept what they have to offer. I will not accept SP2, but I got, today, two updates for SP1.
I think that we are talking about entirely different things.

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by **Alice** » Tue 18 Jan, 2005 1:01 pm

I was just trying to explain why this is happening in Firefox 1.0 on certain sites that attempt to install XPI files, like the AOL video site you mentioned and the netscape music site I referenced, which will install the AOL Media Playback software, if you allow it.

It's a security feature, which you can over-ride or not, by editing the allowed list on a per-site basis.

I'll leave it at that.

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by **Fulvio** » Tue 18 Jan, 2005 3:34 pm

Alice,
let me clear this up. I never tried to access the video from the netscape website. That's why whatever you said did not ring any bell.
I am confused because all I got was the install plugin icon, with no indication of what the plugin was, nor any hint whatsoever. Under these condition how could I have allowed a site to download, if I did not not know the site.
I had no idea that the parent site would have prompted me to download, had I allowed it. I hope you understand my confusion.

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by **Alice** » Tue 18 Jan, 2005 4:13 pm

You don't actually start installing software when you click the "Click Here to install software necessary to experience this media." link, but I understand how that might give you pause. I knew the Netscape Music site would attempt to install the AOL Media Playback component, if I allowed it, because I had installed it from there before. Even if the site is on your allowed list, you still get the "Install" prompt before any action is taken... nothing is done automatically from a single click.

I tested again, by removing my FF plugins and clearing "nsvapp-prod-rr.stream.aol.com" from the "Allowed sites" list. Clicking your AOL video link resulted in a window with the message, "Click Here to install software necessary to experience this media." Clicking that link causes the yellow bar to appear, as in my first screenshot, with the message, "To protect your computer, Firefox prevented this site (mp.aol.com) from installing software on your computer". From there, everything is the same.

Sorry I used the netscape music link before, not your AOL link. Hope that clears things up a bit.

Now let's stop beating this poor horse to death.

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by **DiscoFever** » Wed 19 Jan, 2005 5:09 pm

Hey Fulvio I tried what you said and it worked perfectly and quickly. I tried alice's method but had no luck. Now See if you can figure out LAUNCH music at Yahoo. That will not on Mozilla or Netscape, Only IE.

Great Job Fulvio. Look for a little extra in your check this week. :lol:

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by **Alice** » Wed 19 Jan, 2005 6:12 pm

DiscoFever wrote:Hey Fulvio I tried what you said and it worked perfectly and quickly. I tried alice's method but had no luck.

You copied the npwinamp.dll and npwinamp.xpt files to the Firefox Plugins folder? Of course, that's the easy way, and that's what I do with other plugin files like crescendo and flash but.... what if you had no npwinamp.dll and npwinamp.xpt files to copy? Or, what if the XPI install was for a Firefox extension or theme from a site that's not on the "allowed" list?

The method I gave is cumbersome, like Fulvio said. My main reason for posting the new XPI install method for unapproved sites was to illustrate how it works, in case anyone happens to come across a similar situation.

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by **Fulvio** » Wed 19 Jan, 2005 7:20 pm

DiscoFever wrote:Hey Fulvio I tried what you said and it worked perfectly and quickly. I tried alice's method but had no luck. Now See if you can figure out LAUNCH music at Yahoo. That will not on Mozilla or Netscape, Only IE.

Great Job Fulvio. Look for a little extra in your check this week.

Accepted. I got Launch to work, somehow, but have not tried it for quite a while. It works with Netscape7.1, but nothing more recent. I was able to fool it with the User Agent Switcher extention, setting 7.2 to be 7.1. I never tried it with Mozilla, and it worked without 7.1 installed. I uninstalled mine.
You set it this way under User Agent Options you enter: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) (CK-SillyDog)
App. name :Netscape
Platform: Win32
Not that I care for Launch, but it is fun to buck the system. You should be able to get it if you install the Extention in Mozilla1.7.5, or Firefox.
By the way, I was able to play Icebergradio.com, from 7.2, faking that it was Firefox. for some reason icebergradio.com was compatible with FF.

I installed the extention is Mozilla, but it does not go past the video test. But the supposed screen has the right width, but no more than 3/8 in high.
It does not work in Mozilla1.7.5. 7.2 is still working fine.
By the way, you have to allow popups from launch.yahoo.com.

And, Alice is quite correct, except that coming from an outside link, and not in netscape.com, I would have not known what to do.

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by **Alice** » Wed 19 Jan, 2005 7:40 pm

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=167260
Embedded Windows Media/Launch.com in Firefox 1.0

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by **Fulvio** » Wed 19 Jan, 2005 8:22 pm

Firefox 1.0 works like a charm my way. User Agent Switcher set to 7.1, and allowing popups for the site.
But, Mozilla1.7.5 gives me that dinky screen, and no matter what anyone says, it will not work.

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